Frontpagemag Editors’ note: Yesterday, on Thursday, April 9, 2020, our nation solemnly marked National Former Prisoner of War Recognition Day,
 during which we honored all American prisoners of war and expressed our
 deep gratitude and respect for what they endured and -- as empirical 
evidence suggests -- in some cases may very well be continuing to 
endure. 
Indeed, we pay tribute to those who never returned -- and, of 
course, also to their suffering families. In honor of this sacred day, Frontpage has deemed it important to run Jamie Glazov's Symposium Why We Left Our POWs Behind.
 Four distinguished experts tell a tragic and unconscionable inside 
story. We hope that our leadership and citizens will take serious action
 on this issue. We will always remember and we will never forget. 
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Symposium: Why We Left Our POWs Behind.
Four distinguished experts tell the tragic and unconscionable inside story.
By Jamie 
Glazov
In this special edition of 
Frontpage
 Symposium, we have assembled a panel of four distinguished guests to 
reveal the tragic truth about what really happened to our POWs. Our 
guests today are:
Dr. Joseph Douglass, an investigator who has been 
engaged mainly in learning what happened to thousands who were left 
behind in the hands of various Communist captors. His work led to the 
identification of the one former Communist official who was personally 
involved in the efforts to capture American soldiers and what their 
captors did to them and correlating this with other information. He is 
the author of the book 
Betrayed, a comprehensive account of the abandonment of American POWs and their subsequent betrayal by the U.S. government.
Jay Veith, the author of 
Code-Name Bright Light: The Untold Story of U.S. POW Rescue Efforts During the Vietnam War.
 He has appeared on Fox News and other radio and TV stations, and 
testified twice on the POW/MIA issue before the U.S. House of 
Representatives. He has been invited to speak at the American Legion 
National Conference, the National League of POW/MIA Families and 
National Alliance of Families annual meetings, and many other venues. 
His latest book, 
Black April: The Fall of South Vietnam, 1973-75, will be published in November 2011 by Encounter Books.
Michael D. Benge,
 a former POW in North Vietnam (1968-1973). He is now a board member of 
the National Alliance of Families for the Return of America's Missing 
Servicemen and Women WWII - Korean - Cold War - Vietnam War - Persian 
Gulf. The organization is having its annual meeting on July 21-23, 2001 
at the Holiday Inn National Airport, Washington, DC.
and
Bill Dumas, a filmmaker in Los Angeles and former Fellow at the American Film Institute.  He is the producer of 
Missing, Presumed Dead: The Search For America's POWs.
FP: Dr. Joseph Douglass, Jay 
Veith, Michael D. 
Benge and Bill Dumas, welcome to 
Frontpage Symposium.
Jay 
Veith, let’s begin with you.
What is the best way to start a panel discussion on America’s 
missing POWs? Share with us your expertise on this issue and what your 
research has led you to discover.
Veith: I
 think there are several threads one must review concurrently to 
understand this tragedy. First, what do we know of Communist policy 
regarding POWs? Were they trying to exploit them for propaganda or other
 security related areas? If so, what does that mean for post-war 
releases or non-releases? Second, what evidence do we have for the 
Communist's withholding American POWs after the end of various 
conflicts? Lastly, how cooperative have these Communist governments been
 over the years in providing answers about our missing men? I think that
 if one looks at this great mystery from those perspectives, i.e., 
motive, evidence, and lack of cooperation, one is led to the conclusion 
that American POWs have been secretly held back by different regimes for
 different purposes. One can get lost in a maze trying to unravel what 
happened to various individuals, but if you step back and look at the 
whole picture, I think a clear outline emerges of a deliberate policy to
 hold back prisoners. I'm curious what my colleagues think.
FP: Bill Dumas, how would you begin to approach the pertinent questions Jay 
Veith raises?
Dumas: These are three key points that Jay raises. 
 The question is, on what stage does this discussion take place?  As Joe
 Douglass states in my documentary film, our government doesn't 
acknowledge leaving POWs behind, therefore there's nothing to look for 
(nothing to talk about.) It's remarkable that so few of our legislators 
know so little (if anything) about the POW/MIA issue.  And when they 
become informed and sincerely try to investigate the situation they 
almost always hit a wall and drop their pursuit.  That "wall" is usually
 the Pentagon's 
DPMO (Defense Department POW/Missing Personnel Office.)
DPMO has two main functions.  One is the recovery of remains mostly in SE Asia and North Korea.  Many dedicated individuals at 
DPMO do a great job in that capacity.  The other function of 
DPMO (performed by what could be referred to as the "shadow 
DPMO" - the long-term bureaucrats who handhold the revolving door, Presidentially appointed 
DASDs
 [Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense] who operate as figureheads of 
the office.)  Their mission is to ensure the American public (and maybe 
more so, the currently serving military personnel) that we do not leave 
soldiers behind.
Last year I received an email from Ron Paul asking if I would talk 
to Congressman Walter Jones of North Carolina (I was a senior staffer 
for the Ron Paul 2008 Presidential campaign and I inspired Ron to talk 
about POW/
MIAs in several campaign rally speeches).  Rep. Jones had just learned that POW/
MIAs
 were abandoned in SE Asia and N. Korea.  He was outraged and was intent
 on getting to the bottom this issue.  We had a long phone conversation 
and I gave him the Reader's Digest version of the POW/MIA story.  Rep. 
Jones went to lengths assuring me that he is the kind of person that 
will not back off of an issue he commits himself to.  He said that 
absolutely he would do what he had to do to resolve this enormous 
national tragedy.
Knowing that Rep. Jones would be contacting 
DPMO for the official government position on the status of our POW/
MIAs
 (i.e. "There are none except those who died on the battlefield.") I 
wrote an email to Rep. Jones giving him a primer on the function of 
DPMO
 and the reasons to be cautious of their PR narrative.  I also sent him 
supporting documents, my documentary film DVD and a document I wrote a 
while back titled, "Korean War POW/MIA Peace Treaty Initiative" which 
proposes that no peace treaty be signed with North Korea before the 
POW/MIA issue is negotiated and resolved (this was the main unresolved 
issue that prevented a peace treaty from being signed in 1953). I also 
told him it was imperative that H. Res. 111 be brought to the floor for a
 vote, which if passed, would create a House select committee to 
investigate the POW/MIA issue.  Hopefully a House Select Committee would
 complete the job that the Senate Select Committee in the early 
1990s
 refused to do but instead skimmed over the evidence and swept it back 
under the carpet.  And by the way, many were able to blame Nancy Pelosi 
for not bringing this bill to the floor for a vote even though the bill 
continues to acquire over 260 co-sponsors year after year.  But why is 
John Boehner following in her footsteps?
Rep. Jones said we would talk again on the phone after he reviewed 
all the materials I was sending.  That was over a year ago.  I never 
heard back from Rep. Jones.  I finally wrote him a long letter asking 
for an explanation of his abandoning his investigation and I had Ron 
Paul hand deliver the letter to him.  Still I received no response.  The
 only word I received from Rep. Jones' office was copy of a letter he 
authored that was sent to David 
Gompert, Acting Director of National Intelligence, requesting the declassification of all documents pertaining to POW/
MIAs. The letter was also signed by Ron Paul, Dennis 
Kucinich and Jim McGovern.
That letter was dated June 23, 2010.  I never heard anything more about the letter or any response from David 
Gompert.
The nagging question for me is, what is the mechanism that 
completely shuts down any attempt by our legislators to take up the 
POW/MIA issue?  What does 
DPMO
 say to inquiring Congressional leaders that stops them in their tracks?
  And not just legislators but also top-tiered journalists excited to 
find such a potentially explosive story.  I've seen this scenario 
repeated over and over to the same end.
So, back to Jay's points.  These are critical issues in beginning 
the dialogue that will hopefully resolve the POW/MIA dilemma. 
 Unfortunately, what we have is more of a monologue than a dialogue.  We
 know the issues, we have the evidence and documentation.  But we don't 
have the government participants for a dialogue.
I'd like to throw that ball to Dr. Douglass who also stated in the documentary that any solution to finding abandoned POW/
MIAs
 would have to happen outside of government.  (Perhaps later we can talk
 about private missions underway today in the search for POW/
MIAs - without jeopardizing those operations - at least the legitimate ones.)
I have had encouraging dialogue with Sen. Dick Lugar's staff as has 
my uncle Bob Dumas whose brother was last seen alive in N. Korea when 
the war ended but never came home.  Last week I received a statement 
written by Lugar and read at the Korean War Memorial in Washington, DC 
by foreign relations staffer Keith 
Luse.  It called on North Korea to account for POW/
MIAs including live POW/
MIAs.
  It's very rare to hear any government official even imply the 
possibility there is a live POW/MIA being held anywhere in the world.
Lastly, yesterday in the LA Times Sen. John Kerry called for direct 
negotiations with the North Koreans and they should start with the 
recovery of POW/
MIAs
 remains.  There seemed to be a hint of including the issue of live 
POWs, though you'd be hard pressed to make that argument. This position 
by Kerry is rather ironic since he was such an obstacle in the Senate 
select committee hearings on POW/
MIAs that he chaired in the early 
1990s.
  During those hearings Bob Dumas testified that the only way to 
communicate with the North Koreans is through one-on-one dialogue on the
 Executive level.  He should know, he's probably had more conversations 
with the North Korean ambassadors to the 
DPRK
 U.N. Mission than any other American.  And now, twenty years later our 
government may be starting to understand how to communicate with the 
North Koreans.
Benge: It’s unfortunate that so many nations don’t play by the Marcus of 
Queensbury
 rules or those of the Geneva Convention on POWs.  There are too many 
nations which in the first place socially/culturally have little regard 
for human life in the first place, and then this inhumanity is 
compounded by the brutality of political regimes such as Nazism, 
communism, and 
jihadism
 and then superimposed upon this societal weakness.  Then to add fuel to
 the fire you have individual vindictiveness with the desire to make 
people suffer even more by seeking revenge for some perceived wrong 
against themselves, their people or their country.
To further compound the problem, in past conflicts/wars much of the 
time, the US has not been the clear winner, leaving us with little or no
 bargaining power.   Although the US and its allies won the war against 
the Germans in WWII, we capitulated to the Russians regarding the US and
 Allied POWs that were captured by the Germans and recaptured by the 
Russians in their sector of operations.  There was/is little bargaining 
power with the Koreans/China on recovering POWs because that war was a 
stalemate.  Regarding the Vietnam War, although the US pretty well won 
it militarily, we lost it politically; therefore, we were in a very weak
 position to bargain further for our POWs, and the politicians again 
sold out the POWs and basically sent the message to the Communist 
Vietnamese that the U.S. government was pretty well satisfied with what 
we got.   After all, weren’t the POWs just expendable, since none of 
them were sons of major politicians? Few could care less (e.g., 
Eisenhower’s decision regarding American POWs captured in Germany by the
 Russians).  We have the 
DPMO
 (The Defense Prisoner of War/Missing Personnel Office) on record that 
they will not ask the North Koreans about live POWs, since their mission
 is a humanitarian one for the recovery of remains.
While I was a POW, the 
NVA
 repeatedly told me that they were going to hold some of us forever and 
someday try us in a Nuremberg-like trial for our war crimes.  Did I 
believe the vindictive bastards? “You 
betchum Red Rider.”  After I was released, I was told that my name did not appear on the first couple of 
NVA
 lists of POWs at the Paris conference.  Do I believe POWs were left 
behind. “Yes.”  Are some still alive? Chances are, yes. How many? Who 
knows, for DOD has told so many lies about the number of 
MIAs/POWs.  Are they being held in Vietnam? I do not believe so. More probable they are being held in 
NVA-held territory in Laos, to give Hanoi plausible deniability.  However, I can assure you they aren’t being held in Billy 
Hendon’s
 so-called underground prison in Hanoi.  The facility he is talking 
about is the standard issue for all communist and fascist regimes that 
are aided by Russia in the form of a deep hardened bunker for the top 
Echlon of communist governments, such as the one for Saddam Hussein’s in Iraq.
DOD is not looking for POWs, only remains, and many of their staff were/are enablers who provided cover for the 
NVA,
 and should never have received security clearances for those 
positions.  After Bill Bell testified on live POWs at the Kerry/McCain 
charade, he was fired from his position as head of the POW/MIA office in
 Hanoi.  Bill tried to get funds to buy information and photographs on 
POW/
MIAs, on the cheap, but DOD wouldn’t give him any.  Rather, 
DIA collaborated with the 
NVA to write the book “Inside Hanoi’s Archives” and much of what was in it Bill could have bought “on the street.”
There were a bunch of snakes, posing as investigators, working for 
DOD on the POW/MIA issue both in Washington and in Hanoi.  Several of 
them quit and received high paying jobs in Hanoi working for American 
companies in Hanoi, such as Caterpillar and GE, when it was illegal for 
them to do business in Hanoi.  Another one was married to a North 
Vietnamese “honey pot,” who’s sister (I believe) was married to a French
 defector who worked for the Bureau for Enemy 
Proslitization
 that was in charge of POWs.  Another evaluated the “Cuban Program” in 
which a number of American POWs were severely tortured by the Cubans, 
and said it was just an English Language instruction program that had 
gone awry. Then you have the liars Kerry, McCain and Pete Peterson 
(former POW and US Ambassador to Hanoi), who repeatedly testified and 
stated that Hanoi was fully cooperating on resolving the POW/MIA issue. 
 To this day, 
DPMO’s investigators have never gotten the records of, nor access to, the archives of the Bureau for Enemy 
Proslitization.
Gentlemen, it’s a stacked deck.
Douglass: “Stacked deck” is a good way to describe the problem.
There has been a national policy going back to the 
1920s to hide the crimes of the Communists, especially Russian Communists. One of the best statements of this is found in the 
Black Book of Communism (Harvard
 University Press 1997). This was a book based on the investigation of 
half a dozen French academics, all former Communists or close fellow 
travelers. As stated by the lead editor, 
Stephane Courtois, in the introductory chapter:
The extraordinary attention paid to Hitler’s crimes is entirely 
justified. It respects the wishes of the surviving witnesses, it 
satisfies the needs of researchers trying to understand these events, 
and it reflects the desire of moral and political authorities to 
strengthen democratic values. But the revelations concerning Communist 
crimes cause barely a stir. Why is there such an awkward silence from 
politicians? Why such a deafening silence from the academic world 
regarding the Communist catastrophe, which touched the lives of about 
one-third of humanity on four continents during a period spanning eighty
 years?[i]
To better understand what lies behind the cover-up, consider what is
 implicit in the silence of politicians and academics. When the 
politicians are silent, there is a reason. They know that speaking out 
will not bring them good press and, indeed, may signal the end of their 
careers. Just consider what has happened to the careers of those whom 
the news media labeled “anti-Communist.” Similarly, when the academics 
are not addressing an issue of such a magnitude, there is also a reason.
 In this case, there are several reasons; to wit, major foundations that
 sponsor their research – for example, the Ford, Rockefeller, and 
Carnegie foundations – are not funding anti-Communist research, 
main-stream publishers are not publishing anti-Communist works, and the 
news media are not reviewing the books nor promoting the issue.
Additionally, silence is only one of the problems, equally in use to
 hide the crimes are lies, deception, burying data, and simple denial, 
as demonstrated in the efforts of CIA officials in the 
1970s and 
1980s to kill consideration of the Soviet role in organizing and supporting international terrorism.
Another example of this policy was White House directives not to 
confront the Russians respecting the missing American prisoners of war 
during and following World War II. The policy stated that with respect 
to Americans liberated from German prison camps by the Russians, there 
would be “no criticism of treatment by the Russians.”
[ii] This was followed by a direction on April 1 that there would be no retaliatory action to Russian failure to cooperate.
[iii]
 None of these were spur-of-the-moment decisions. The United States and 
British had known at least since October 1944 that the Russians were 
most unlikely to turn over more than a token number of American 
prisoners of war.
[iv]
As described in 
Moscow Bound[v] and 
Soldiers of Misfortune[vi],
 the moment of truth came only weeks after V-E day when American, 
British, and Soviet negotiators met at Halle, Germany, to negotiate the 
prisoner of war problem. The conference ended on May 22. The Americans 
were permitted to visit the POW camp at 
Reisa.
 Permission to visit four other German POW camps where Americans were 
held was rescinded the next day. Only 4,165 American prisoners, all from
 
Reisa, were released out of 25,000.
What took place afterwards is succinctly described in 
Soldiers of Misfortune
 as follows: “After the Halle exchange ended, the United States and 
Britain knew that documents must be manufactured to downgrade the 
numbers. They had to provide a plausible explanation that would stand 
the test of time and permanently bury the 23,500 Americans and 31,000 
British non-returnees.”
[vii] These are directives signed first by President Roosevelt, and later by President Harry Truman.
Lower level directives have been identified from the Korean War and 
from President Nixon following the Vietnam War when he stated that all 
our POWs had been returned, although this was clearly known to not be 
the case.
Following the “end” of the Cold War in 1989-1991, U.S. policy as explained by Robert Gates in an interview with Robert 
Buchar in 
Reality be Damned.
 The U.S., in coordination with talks with First Secretary Gorbachev, 
agreed to remain silent and “not get involved” in the Soviet Union to 
Russia transition, because they (U.S. leaders Bush, Gates, and Rice) did
 not want to risk upsetting the transition to a “democratic” Russia. To 
further cement-in this policy, the head of the CIA’s Operations 
Directorate was directed to close down listening posts, safe houses, and
 associated intelligence collection directed against the former Soviet 
Union and related Eastern European satellites. Likewise, the FBI removed
 1000 of its agents from their tasks in watching the Soviet Union and 
reassigned them to the ever present street crime task. The fight against
 Communism and its history of crimes came to a swift and quiet end.
What was also killed in the process was work underway to expose a 
myriad of covert Russian intelligence operations to attack and destroy 
the U.S. during the Cold War, or perhaps more realistically, under cover
 of the Cold War. These attacks were designed to destroy the U.S. from 
within, via numerous mechanisms such as narcotics trafficking, organized
 crime, terrorism, and a wide array of various attacks that, in effect, 
constituted a broad-base Cultural War designed to undermine from the 
inside American strengths such as our industries, religious beliefs, 
education, unions, law& order, and political processes to facilitate
 the growth of corruption, crime, and compromise within the U.S., 
including within the leadership elite. Major propaganda offensives were 
unleashed in parallel to mask the source of these activities and 
seriousness of their growth, which has continued following the so-called
 “end of the Cold War.”
Why there was a special effort to “help” the POW/MIA issue die a 
slow death was the underlying magnitude of the issue – thousands of 
American 
GIs an officers 
knowingly left behind and 
the truth of what happened to them,
 which was their valuable use as human guinea pigs to the Russian and 
Chinese intelligence services to test ability of U.S. soldiers to 
withstand the rigors of nuclear war (which involved extensive physical 
and mental torture), to test the effectiveness of new chemical and 
biological warfare agents on U.S. soldiers, to train hundreds of trained
 agents to insert back in the U.S., and to learn more about the effects 
of atomic radiation on the human body and exposing scores of Americans 
to actual atomic boom effects. How could anyone associated with such 
knowledge not undertake whatever was required to bury such horrible 
information? All such knowledge had to be suppressed.
FP: Thank you Joe Douglass.
In this last round I would like our guests to comment on the 
contributions of the others, to give some more evidence of what they 
know about our missing POWs and, finally, to tell us what, if anything, 
can still be done – and what those who want to make a change can do.
Veith: My
 fellow contributors all make valuable points. I've always focused more 
on the perpetrators, i.e., the Communist governments, rather than on the
 enablers, i.e., the United States government bureaucracy and elected 
officials. After so many years in this issue, I agree with my old friend
 Dr. Douglass that the best option for uncovering the truth lies in 
private missions. Despite the great opportunity for fraud inherent in 
such operations, if you think about it, most of the stunning POW/MIA 
revelations of the last twenty years have come from private 
investigators. Think of the 1205 document and many others. Bob Dumas' 
long search for his brother, and his attempts at interaction with North 
Korean officials, are also commendable and quite frankly, awe-inspiring.
I also agree that not only is the deck stacked, but would propose 
that since the Senate Select Committee, interest in the POW/MIA issue 
has dramatically dropped. How then, to revive it? It seems to me that 
well-defined, on-going research that produces documented evidence of 
these crimes is one way. Perhaps HR 111, if finally enacted, might be 
another. I had great hopes that the 
JCSD
 (Joint Commission Support Directorate, the section that searches for 
evidence that American POWs were taken to the Soviet Union) might 
uncover evidence in Russian archives, but the 
DPMO
 (Defense Prisoner Missing Personnel Office) managed to derail that 
effort. Perhaps my fellow contributors are unaware that the new head at 
the Defense Prisoner Missing Personnel Office, Robert Newberry, recently
 
defunded what was becoming a promising inquiry by 
JCSD
 within Ukrainian military archives. Moreover, the US government just 
spent several million dollars on a new software system to help 
facilitate information sharing between the 
JPAC
 (Joint Prisoner/Missing Accounting Command, the unit based in Hawaii 
that conducts the investigations and crash site investigations), and 
DPMO, a project that simply boggles my mind.
Lastly, in terms of private efforts, there are several organizations dedicated to locating and helping 
JPAC
 recover crashed aircraft, mostly of the WWII variety. Moore's 
Marauders, Bent Prop, and a few others are doing work in this area. I 
also know of several people doing research on Korea and elsewhere, but 
they are lone individuals doing it on their own time and money. Perhaps 
what is needed is for someone to attempt to bring everyone together to 
share research and knowledge.
FP: Jay 
Veith, what is the 1205 document?
Veith: The
 1205 document was a report discovered in the Russian archives shortly 
after the Soviet Union disintegrated. The report, ostensibly by a North 
Vietnamese general named Tran Van 
Quang
 to the Politburo, claimed that they held 1205 American prisoners. This 
was far greater than was generally acknowledged at the time, and far 
more than was released in 1973.
FP: Bill Dumas, your final comments? And tell us 
why something like 1205 document isn’t a huge story -- an undying huge 
story -- throughout our media and literary culture, which it should be.
Dumas: It's difficult to understand why the 
discovery of the 1205 document doesn't make the day's top story in the 
media.  When we talk about our free press, those of us working on issues
 that are stamped "conspiracy theory" understand that we have a limited 
free press, something I wouldn't have believed when I received my BA in 
journalism in the late '
70s.
When we engage in a discussion about the media suppression of the POW/MIA issue we inevitably point fingers at the 
CFR
 (Counsel on Foreign Relations) as an explanation of the kind of an 
all-encompassing entity that can actually control the fourth estate. 
 Most journalists would discount this censorship notion even as their 
stories (should they happen upon a forbidden subject such as POW/
MIAs) are squelched by their editor/publishers.
During the 2008 presidential campaign Pulitzer Prize journalist, Sydney 
Schanberg
 (who exposed the "Killing Fields" massacre in Cambodia) could not get 
his expose of John McCain published in any of the major dailies. 
 Finally, "The Nation" printed the story.  And when that issue hit the 
stands, the POW/MIA issue should have been thrust front and center in 
the media. Instead McCain's betrayal of our POW/
MIAs registered not even a blip on the political news radar.
Had this been an isolated incident it could somehow have been 
explained away (i.e. McCain's military record as sacred cow) but the 
fact that it happens over and over again points to a conspiracy that is 
beyond "theory."
Jay brought up some disturbing information about policy changes at the Defense Prisoner Missing Personnel Office (
DPMO),
 under new director Robert Newberry.  When Newberry was first appointed 
by Obama I spoke with him about my Korean War POW/MIA Peace Treaty 
Initiative.  He was very supportive of the idea.  Here is the email he 
sent me after he reviewed the initiative:
Thanks Bill,
This looks like a good initiative and it certainly makes 
sense.  We should most assuredly learn from the past.  Let me review it 
more thoroughly with my staff and I will get back to you.  I added Ed Frothingham to this e-mail, he is my Principal Director.
Thanks again,
Newbs
I knew once his handlers got a hold of the Initiative, Newberry 
would have to backpedal and make sure the Initiative didn’t see the 
light of day.  Here’s his follow-up response. And look how fast they 
instituted “damage control.” Nothing happens that fast in that office.
Bill,
I appreciated the opportunity to read your draft. We would 
offer one recommendation.  The issue you raise was also evident in the 
peace negotiations with the North Vietnamese from 1968 to 1973. The part
 that POWs and MIAs
 played in the negotiations was examined by the Senate Select Committee 
on POW/MIA Affairs and there is a good account of it in pages 6- 14 of 
the Executive Summary of the Committees report (Senate Report 103-1, 
January 13, 1993). The Summary may provide information useful for your 
initiative.
That said, as part of the Department of Defense, we are not 
in a position to endorse or co-sponsor your initiative. I personally do 
want to assure you of the importance the Department attaches to the 
accounting for our missing personnel and your efforts to assist.
Newbs
This is such a pile of useless, political-ease nonsense.  My 
documentary film is partly about the travesty that was the Senate Select
 Committee on POW/MIA Affairs.  He said he watched the film.  How, with a
 straight face, can he suggest I look at the Select Committee report?
A few years back I met with Newberry's predecessor, Ambassador 
Charles Ray.  We had a a face-to-face meeting for over an hour and a 
half.  Again, like Newberry, his initial response was favorable pending 
review by his "staff".  And again that's when it got shut down.
His final word on the matter was to speak with Congress about it because that's where 
DPMO
 gets their marching orders.  Of course when you go to Congress, our 
legislators first start looking into the issue by inquiring at 
DPMO. And what they're told by 
DPMO is that they have no evidence of live POW/
MIAs. So essentially, 
DPMO
 stops any possibility of ever getting marching orders from Congress. 
And so the revolving door continues to spin insuring no further action 
on the matter.
Right now my only hope within government rides with Sen. Lugar's 
office because right now they at least seem to be skeptical of what 
DPMO is telling them.
For a private initiative on the Korean War front, maybe some 
"journalist" will walk into North Korea, get captured and one of our 
former presidents will run over there on a rescue mission. And maybe 
that "journalist" could say, "I'm not leaving without our POWs."  Then 
see our red-faced former president save face.
FP: Thank you Bill Dumas. Tell us how McCain betrayed our POW/
MIAs.
Dumas: McCain was intent of being the chairman of the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs in the early 
90s.
  Bob Dole thought better of that prospect and wisely chose Sen. Bob 
Smith who as one of only a few Senators on the committee who 
wholeheartedly worked to bring all the evidence of abandoned POWs into 
the open to conduct a full investigation.
As Sen. Smith would later say, "We never finished the job" and the 
committee was disbanded a year after it began its work.  Only one day of
 the hearings focused on the Korean War.  (Since one of the Clinton 
administration's top priorities was to normalize relations with Vietnam,
 the POW panel needed to go away.  Also, co-chair, Sen. John Kerry's 
wife's family landed the largest ever real estate deal with Vietnam 
shortly after the hearings ended - see Sydney 
Schanberg's revealing story in The Village Voice during the 2004 presidential campaign).
It was clear to all the POW/MIA advocates and investigators that 
John McCain was more of an obstacle to the process which seemed an odd 
contradiction since he was a POW in Vietnam.  McCain would essentially 
tell witnesses like retired Col. Phillip 
Corso, who was President Eisenhower's POW/MIA liaison during the Korean War, that he was lying when he said the President (on 
Corso's
 recommendation) decided to abandon American POWs who were transferred 
to the Soviet gulags (possibly over 1200 POWs and at least 800.)  McCain
 based his accusation that 
Corso
 was wrong about that assertion solely based on McCain's feeling that 
"Eisenhower wouldn't do that."  (Ironically, during the Senate hearings,
 McCain treated his North Vietnamese POW camp interrogator like he was 
his best friend and gave him a hug after his testimony.  And then 
brought the sister of an American MIA pilot to tears with his brutal and
 insulting questioning of her before the panel.)
Aside from McCain's despicable treatment of POW/MIA family members 
and advocates, he was able to use a stealth tactic to slip though an 
amendment to a Senate bill that would keep millions of government 
records pertaining to POW/
MIAs
 classified.  And this was at the same time that Sen. Smith and others 
were attempting to declassify these documents to help in the research of
 abandoned POWs.  Clearly there are no national security concerns in 
keeping these documents classified.
McCain benefited directly from his actions because his stealth bill 
would insure that his POW records would never be declassified even after
 he and all his next of kin are no longer alive.  The question is, why 
would McCain go to such extreme lengths to keep his records classified? 
 Could it be that the records reveal an alternate version of the 
carefully crafted and exploited "war hero" story that McCain has 
meticulously cultivated.  As an aside, it should be noted that before 
McCain served in Vietnam his top ambition was to be President of the 
United States.
For details about McCain's "betrayal" of POW/MIA go to: 
McCainBetraysPOWs.com.
Benge:
 I agree with all of the contributors' statements and have little more 
to say except perhaps a couple of things related to the 1205 document 
mentioned by Jay.  I wrote an article, 
POW/MIAs: Don't Ask, Don't Tell for publication in the Washington Times a little after Bill 
Gertz's article 
State Department accused of stifling POW-MIA Probe was published on 1/12/99.  In it, I mentioned the failure of 
DPMO Russian division to investigate a case I reported (based on an 
FBIS
 report and an article in Pravda) regarding US Army Sergeant Jim Patrick
 captured at the at the Elbe River in Germany in May of 1945.
After the discovery of the 1205 document, a Russian archivist stated
 that there were a larger number of similar documents in the archives; 
however, the Americans weren't interested in them.  The Russian 
archivist was immediately "silenced."  A Russian parliamentarian stated 
that during a meeting in Moscow last month (probably December 98) "...we
 were told by your government, your State Department, not to pursue 
these issues." In June 1992, Russian President Boris Yeltsin arriving in
 the US made a stunning revelation on Dateline NBC that American POWs 
had been taken to the Soviet Union: "Our archives have shown this to be 
true."  Immediately the 
UAG launched a concert effort to debunk 
Yelsin,
 first the Administration claimed that Dateline had translated Yeltsin's
 remarks incorrectly.  After the translation was verified, Yeltsin was 
then accused of having drunk too much Vodka and had misspoke.  He too 
was silenced.  A former member of the US-Russian Joint Commission on 
POW/
MIAs told
 me that after Yeltsin returned to Russia, a cable was sent by DOD/State
 warning him that further revelations on POWs could jeopardize aid to 
Russia.
Later, KGB Major General 
Oleg Kalugin,
 a classic spy master and Soviet disinformation officer (control officer
 for the honey pot scandal in the State Department), stated several 
times, once on Australian TV, that he had "interviewed" a rather large 
number of American POWs in Hanoi after 1975.  For his silence, he was 
given a green card and now owns half-interest in the spy museum in DC.
And the band plays on.
FP: This is very depressing.
Joe Douglas, last word goes to you.
Douglass: One of the characteristics a reader will 
find in the POW/MIA non-fiction literature (now 25 to 30 books, several 
documentaries, and numerous 
op-ed
 pieces) is a noticeable  common belief reached by dozens of independent
 researchers. This belief is also present in the above discussion and is
 reflected the cry of “Foul!” in their analyses of the U.S. government’s
 handling of this issue and the no-nonsense charges of “cover-up” and 
thousands of missing POW/
MIAs
 who were knowingly left behind.  This cry is accompanied by a 
tremendous number of high-quality facts. What is also clear is the 
gradual emergence of additional facts, rarely given any “presence” in 
the press or government announcements, respecting these American 
soldiers who were knowingly left behind.
Sooner or later, with luck and unwitting publicity, some survivors 
may emerge and gain the publicity they deserve. Should this take place, 
as has already been the case in select cases, it will not be accompanied
 by any positive media exposure because of what they tell us about both 
our government and the Soviet’s and Russian’s government. Those who 
returned have been threatened and told to keep quiet, and discredited by
 a number of official professional Washington actors.
Thus, in their absence—and presence even more so should some more 
return—those whose curiosity has been set in motion are invited to 
carefully read one of the best eye-opening examples of what one 
well-placed insider within the U.S. government had to say in writing in 
his resignations about our governments duplicity. I refer to the 
well-decorated former Army Green Beret solder, Col. Millard Peck, who 
also volunteered to head the Defense Intelligence Agency POW-MIA office 
that was responsible for actions respecting the missing POW/
MIAs. After two years he quit in disgust. His resignation is available on the Internet and in a Senate Republican Staff report, 
An Examination of U.S. Policy Toward POW/MIAs, and as an appendix in my book, 
Betrayed. This
 Senate report, short and to the point, another government first, was 
widely distributed by Senator Helms’ staff beginning on May 23,1991, 
ultimately 120,000 copies. It was not long before those “in charge” got 
to Helms, who then fired all those responsible. This short report is 
what forced the formation of a Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA 
Affairs in 1992, to learn the truth (that is, bury the issue for good).
Also, for those who are interested in what the highest positioned 
Communist defector ever knew first-hand about what happened to a major 
portion of the American POW/
MIAs who never returned, and why the US Government tried to silence and discredit this defector, his story is presented in full in 
Betrayed and in several articles readily available on the Internet (See, for example, “
Remembering Those We Left Behind”),
 including a detailed report submitted to the House Armed Forces 
Personnel Subcommittee in testimony given under oath by the above key 
Communist official, Col. Phil 
Corso, and myself in September 1996.
But, beware. None of the books, 
op-ed
 pieces, and articles that tell the truth (rather than try to deny what 
happened or bury the truth) are easy reading because of the horrendous 
message they tell about our government’s propaganda: that none of our 
military men were knowingly left behind—alive! They all tell the story 
of betrayal. The trail of finding the truth starts with the following 
legacy accumulated by 2002:
Larry J. 
O’Daniel: 
Missing In Action: Trail of Deceit (1979).
Bill Paul: “Robert 
Garwood Says Vietnam Didn’t Return Some American POWs” and numerous other 
Wall Street Journal articles (1984-1991).
Monica Jensen-Stevenson: 
60 Minutes, “Dead or Alive” (1985).
Ted 
Landreth: We
 Can Keep You Forever Video (1987) Distribution in the U.S. blocked by the White House.
John M. G. Brown and Thomas G. Ashworth:
 A Chain of Prisoners: From Yalta to Vietnam (1988)
.
Monica Jensen-Stevenson and William Stevenson: 
Kiss the Boys Goodbye: How the United States Betrayed Its Own POWs in Vietnam (1990).
Foreign Relations Republican Staff, U.S. Senate Committee:
 An Examination of U.S. Policy Toward POW/MIAs (1991).
Nigel 
Cawthorne: 
The Bamboo Cage: The Full Story of the American Servicemen still held hostage in South-East Asia (1991).
Dorothy McDaniel: 
After the Hero’s Welcome: A POW Wife’s Story of the Battle Against a New Enemy (1991).
Ted 
Landreth:
 Missing in Action: The Soviet Connection Australian 
60 Minutes Video (1991-1992).
Red McDaniel (American Defense Institute):
 Americans Abandoned Video (1992).
Sydney H. 
Schanberg: Numerous 
Newsday articles (1991-1993)
James D. Sanders, Mark A. 
Sauter, and 
Cort Kirkwood:
 Soldiers of Misfortune: Washingon’s Secret Betrayal of American POWs in the Soviet Union (1992).
John M. G. Brown: 
Moscow Bound: Policy, Politics and the POW/MIA Dilemma (1993).
Mark 
Sauter and Jim Sanders: 
The Men We Left Behind: Henry Kissinger, the Politics of Deceit and the Tragic Fate of POWs After the Vietnam War (1993).
Laurence 
Jolidon: 
Last Seen Alive: The Search for Missing POWs from the Korean War (1995).
Craig Roberts: 
The Medusa File, (1997).
Frank Anton: 
Why Didn’t You Get Me Out, (1997).
Monika Jensen-Stevenson: 
Spite House: The Last Secret of the War in Vietnam (1997).
George J. 
Veith: 
Code-Name Bright Light (1998).
Timothy N. Castle:
 One Day Too Long: Top Secret Site 85 and the Bombing of North Vietnam (1999).
[viii]
Larry 
O’Daniel: 
Trails of Deceit (2000).
Philip D. 
Chinnery: 
Korean Atrocity: Forgotten War Crimes 1950-1953 (2000).
Steve E. 
Kiba: 
The Flag: My Story, Kidnapped by Red China (2002).
And several more added since the above list was compiled, most 
notably Bill Dumas' excellent documentary on the Korean War men left 
behind.
Unfortunately, this issue and its handling has been an enormous 
national disgrace going back to WWII and even WWI. This is message that 
all of the discussants above are trying to explain in this virtual town 
meeting. Also in common, we all give our thanks to our host Dr. Jamie 
Glazov and 
Front Page for helping to get this message out.
FP: Thank you Joe Douglass.
Before we depart, Bill Dumas can you kindly give us the link where we can watch your documentary or order it?
Dumas: My documentary film that contains a DVD Extra on McCain is available at 
MissingPresumedDead.com The DVD can be purchased there or viewed streaming online at 
vimeo.com.  Please don't purchase the alternative version of the DVD on Amazon or 
Ebay.
 These DVDs are the result of a bad distribution deal that flooded the 
discount DVD wholesalers and I don't see any revenue from these sales. 
 The official DVD is a blue cover.
Thank you, Jamie, for making this forum happen to keep alive the fight to find our POW/
MIAs and prevent the repeat of abandoning our soldiers.  It was an honor participating in the discussion with Dr. Douglass, Mike 
Benge and Jay 
Veith.
FP: Thank you Bill Dumas.
We also encourage all of our readers to read Joe Douglass’s article, “
Remembering Those We Left Behind.”
Dr. Joseph Douglass, Jay 
Veith, Michael D. 
Benge and Bill Dumas, thank you so much for joining 
Frontpage Symposium to discuss this tragic and appalling story.
Notes:
[i] Black Book of Communism, emphasis added, pp. 17-18.
[ii] Ibid., p. 204.
[iii] Ibid., p. 205. The 
JCS memo that spelled this out was dated 1 April, 1945. As identified in 
Soldiers of Misfortune,
 Ambassador Harriman advised the Secretary of State only a few weeks 
before, “no arguments will induce the Soviets to live up to our 
interpretation of the agreement except retaliatory measures which affect
 their interests.” p. 57.
[iv]
 Secretary of War Henry Stimson noted in a memo the Russian threats not 
to turn over American prisoners. This was also clear from the Russian 
position that all Russian “citizens” were to be repatriated, which 
included all former Russians who had fled Russia and taken up 
citizenship in other countries. Roosevelt agreed to this, and only 
reluctantly excepted former Russian citizens in the United States after 
several top officials complained that it was illegal to turn over those 
in the United States. None the less, in November, 1,179 Russians who had
 fought against Stalin in the German Army were turned over to a Soviet 
ship in Seattle. See 
Soldiers of Misfortune, pp. 31-39.
[v] Moscow Bound, op. cit., p. 231-327.
[vi] Soldiers of Misfortune, op. cit., pp. 95-133.
[vii] Ibid, p. 96.
[viii]
 Dr. Castle’s book is focused on Site 85 in Laos and its capture. It is 
not on the POW/MIA problem in general, but on those missing from Site 
85. It is included on this list because what happened at Site 85 fits 
the “pattern” and is well researched. It also provides an excellent 
characterization of the decision-making process that provides additional
 insight into the POW/MIA problem in general.
 
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